Bollino III,Anthony
2006-10-16 23:23:04 UTC
Hi all,
Just as an FYI. I have from 'very high authority' - Joel Burton, Chairman of the Board of the Plone Foundation, that Plone has no plans at this time to fully implement Zope 3. They are working on "Five" which gives "the best of both worlds." So we can only hope that it would be enough to all a ST product to be made
I certainly hope it works out that way since I can see a marriage of Plone and Schooltool as a pretty comprehensive solution for schools.
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Governor Thomas Johnson Middle School
Frederick, MD
http://www.tjmiddle.org
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Hi Peter,
I've just been catching up on this mailing list and noticed your query from a few weeks back which didn't seem to get a reply on list.
My understanding is that Plone is based on Zope 2 and SchoolTool is based on Zope 3. Zope 3 was a major re-engineering, and compatibility between the two is limited (although there is ongoing work to backport some Zope 3 technologies into Zope 2).
I would guess that SchoolTool could not be implemented as a Plone Product until Plone is completely compatible Zope 3. I note from their roadmap that they are heading towards greater Zope 3 compatibility (http://plone.org/products/plone/roadmap) - they say that "Plone 3.0 will run on Zope 2.10 - this means Zope 2 and Zope 3 in combination, not Zope 3.x exclusively" - I guess the question will be whether Zope 2.10 will include enough "Zope 3-ness" to run SchoolTool.
I hope that helps.
Jim
www.jimvine.co.uk
Peter Arathoon <***@mail.meio-u.ac.jp> wrote: Hello,
I have been a silently lurking applauder of SchoolTool for several years now, and wondered when / if you will be releasing a Plone Product version of the software. This would certainly be a quick way to receive plenty of feedback. Personally this would enable me to plug it into our university department portal and test it under realistic conditions, towards an April 2007 roll-out.
Thank you all for the combined efforts so far.
Peter Arathoon
(Japanese University)
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Ah... my original response just went to Peter. Sorry.
--Tom
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Date: Jul 2, 2006 10:30 PM
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SchoolTool uses Zope 3, and Plone is currently based on Zope 2.
Unfortunately, the two aren't mutually compatible. They are, however,
slowly converging. At this point, most new Plone features are based
on Zope 3 technologies, and I would guess that within two years or so,
Plone will completely make the jump from Zope 2 to Zope 3. At that
point, cool SchoolTool/Plone collaboration will be easy. This process
has gone more slowly than we would have hoped, but there's not much to
be done about it.
--Tom
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Just as an FYI. I have from 'very high authority' - Joel Burton, Chairman of the Board of the Plone Foundation, that Plone has no plans at this time to fully implement Zope 3. They are working on "Five" which gives "the best of both worlds." So we can only hope that it would be enough to all a ST product to be made
I certainly hope it works out that way since I can see a marriage of Plone and Schooltool as a pretty comprehensive solution for schools.
**********************************
Tony Bollino
Technology Coordinator
Governor Thomas Johnson Middle School
Frederick, MD
http://www.tjmiddle.org
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(Tom Hoffman)
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:26:37 +0100 (BST)
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Hi Peter,
I've just been catching up on this mailing list and noticed your query from a few weeks back which didn't seem to get a reply on list.
My understanding is that Plone is based on Zope 2 and SchoolTool is based on Zope 3. Zope 3 was a major re-engineering, and compatibility between the two is limited (although there is ongoing work to backport some Zope 3 technologies into Zope 2).
I would guess that SchoolTool could not be implemented as a Plone Product until Plone is completely compatible Zope 3. I note from their roadmap that they are heading towards greater Zope 3 compatibility (http://plone.org/products/plone/roadmap) - they say that "Plone 3.0 will run on Zope 2.10 - this means Zope 2 and Zope 3 in combination, not Zope 3.x exclusively" - I guess the question will be whether Zope 2.10 will include enough "Zope 3-ness" to run SchoolTool.
I hope that helps.
Jim
www.jimvine.co.uk
Peter Arathoon <***@mail.meio-u.ac.jp> wrote: Hello,
I have been a silently lurking applauder of SchoolTool for several years now, and wondered when / if you will be releasing a Plone Product version of the software. This would certainly be a quick way to receive plenty of feedback. Personally this would enable me to plug it into our university department portal and test it under realistic conditions, towards an April 2007 roll-out.
Thank you all for the combined efforts so far.
Peter Arathoon
(Japanese University)
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Ah... my original response just went to Peter. Sorry.
--Tom
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From: Tom Hoffman <***@gmail.com>
Date: Jul 2, 2006 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [schooltool] Plone Product version of Schooltool
Hello,
I have been a silently lurking applauder of SchoolTool for several years now, and wondered when / if you will be releasing a Plone Product version of the software. This would certainly be a quick way to receive plenty of feedback. Personally this would enable me to plug it into our university department portal and test it under realistic conditions, towards an April 2007 roll-out.
Hi Peter,I have been a silently lurking applauder of SchoolTool for several years now, and wondered when / if you will be releasing a Plone Product version of the software. This would certainly be a quick way to receive plenty of feedback. Personally this would enable me to plug it into our university department portal and test it under realistic conditions, towards an April 2007 roll-out.
SchoolTool uses Zope 3, and Plone is currently based on Zope 2.
Unfortunately, the two aren't mutually compatible. They are, however,
slowly converging. At this point, most new Plone features are based
on Zope 3 technologies, and I would guess that within two years or so,
Plone will completely make the jump from Zope 2 to Zope 3. At that
point, cool SchoolTool/Plone collaboration will be easy. This process
has gone more slowly than we would have hoped, but there's not much to
be done about it.
--Tom
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